[Unbanned] <klar>zietsh banned [wallhack]

[GhostSoul]

<klar>zietsh banned cause wallhack

he's following enemies through the walls, waiting sometimes for enemies behind wall and is aiming too.. in my mind is sure wallhack. i dont care if he is longtime player here (sorry nothing personaly), everyone can cheat. some hide it well and play with it for years

XLR ID: 213713
B3 ID: 245308

Ban Added: 2013-03-26 11:10:50
TempBan Expires: 2013-03-29 11:10:50

Duration: 3 days
Penalty ID: 1847630

[zietsh]

Honestly, wtf?

Sry but NO.

First time I was banned, and unjust.

Pls could someone look at the demo and unban me.. thanks
obviously played with sound....


Sorry did not see that there wasn't a demo posted yet. Please do so... thanks.

EDIT2:

No hard feelings ghostsoul

I'll just copy what I wrote into the IRC:

[11:18] zietsh: I have to admit that it was suspicios since I had a bad score and then I was afk for a sec and started having a good score. But thats because I turned on my sound and put on headphones..

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So somewhat my fault

[zietsh]

EDIT3:

The aiming behind the wall is because of the laser, when I use a laser I try to keep it out of sight of the enemy...


(Wanted to post it so ghostsoul can see that I answered)

[JRandomNoob]

• 3:00 you can hear the steps of the enemy nearing the corner
• 2:45 looks like tracking someone in the distance, but in reality there’s nobody there
• 2:35 Mar 26 12:51:07 <zietsh> I can only see one thing that could have been a wallhack, and thats the part with the truck.. but when 2 players are behind a truck its hard to not aim at them.
• 2:20 hum, whatcha lookin’ at, son? nerves?
• 2:15 and 2:05 you can hear the enemies
• 2:00 he totally misses an enemy

Overall, too bloody short a demo.

[TheAdi]

The demo is very short but sure doesn't look very flattering for zeitsh... there are A LOT of wallhacky moments
I always keep my laser on walls too, so that's not the problem but aiming at almost every opponent through walls is strange. And the 2:45 moment is the worst in my opinion, screen-shot attached (aiming directly at two enemies). If only the demo was not that short, so we could put things in context...

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[Cookie]

unbanned

[natirips]

The aiming behind the wall is because of the laser, when I use a laser I try to keep it out of sight of the enemy...

From what I've seen from this otherwise too-short demo, bulll-sheeyath!

From a ban-thirsty point of view:
@3:35 reload? in that situation? srsly?
@3:15 did you try to flank him after seeing him through the wall?
@2:23 don't tell me you don't know turnpike, did you expect to find a hole in the floor that wasn't there the last time you played turnpike or did you simply track him through the wall?

From a reasonable point of view:
But, then, this much really could've been coincidence, imo the demo is too short.

[zietsh]

The aiming behind the wall is because of the laser, when I use a laser I try to keep it out of sight of the enemy...

From what I've seen from this otherwise too-short demo, bulll-sheeyath!

Seriously I do try to aim at the wall with a laser ....

You will see me doing the same thing especially when playing bomb (although I play the medic there most of the time). I started playing like that when I started UrT and played pistol only. And when there are not that many players on the tdm I am capable of playing with sound usefully and also with the laser. As soon as there are 12+ ppl on a server I get very unconsecrated and I become unable to play with sound since my brain is not capable of "seeing" via sound where a player is. On maps that I know well (turnpike is one of them) I feel like I can see a player via sound. I once demonstrated that when <klar> clan was active and fellow members told me that when I am playing with only few players my game-play would certainly look like wh sometimes.. my movement is somewhat similar to a wallhacker sometimes since I have "normal" headphones and I am playing with the normal binary again and I have to turn my head to listen if the player is going where I suspect him. (If sound stays the "same" on both ears: player is moving on the y axis relative to me, if sound differs from ear to ear: he is moving on the x axis). I sometimes turn my head to make sure if he's in a certain direction since then the "ear pointing" towards the player hears the person clearly. Then I try to aim at him (even through walls sometimes) because if I hear is movement correctly my aim will be ready and I can keep following him.... you will also see me being disturbed when I hear several players and not being able to "lock" onto one. Then I strive and seem to spin around, while I am searching for sound.

I am not sure if all the theory helps my gameplay but I hope it does. If you like we can try it out on a server once. I am suggesting Prague since that was the map when I "proved" this point successfully to 3 klar members once.


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To return to the topic:
Only at the "window" you can see me pointing the laser at the wall and when sliding towards the glass door at the truck(but if I'd be wallhacking the reason for that would be because I am aiming at the player), otherwise you are correct the demo would suggest I am talking bullshit about the laser


Other stuff:

@3:35 reload? in that situation? srsly? 3 bullets, what should I do? Knife him?
@3:15 did you try to flank him after seeing him through the wall? thank you, now I understood that POV, you can heare a door opening and a nade dropping ~2sec before
@2:23 don't tell me you don't know turnpike, did you expect to find a hole in the floor that wasn't there the last time you played turnpike or did you simply track him through the wall? that was my "typical" viewing where I suspect his movement, and I think anyone would have, then I could not hear his movement further so I decided to go to the shooting I was hearing instead, seeing that the guy killed and hearing shooting besides me as my mate ran in there I turned to find that the red guy came back down, which I could have seen having a wallhack and then I would have gone in there when looking into that direct. BUT I could not see him so my reaction was sound "based".

I know that your post was to clearly state what is suspicious, I merely wanted to state my POV

I like discussing and viewing demos so I will be happy to debate any of my actions now and in the future

[JRandomNoob]

And when there are not that many players on the tdm I am capable of playing with sound usefully and also with the laser. As soon as there are 12+ ppl on a server I get very unconsecrated and I become unable to play with sound since my brain is not capable of "seeing" via sound where a player is.

Exactly. When there are few enough players on the server, even I feel like I’m wallhacking at times:-P

my movement is somewhat similar to a wallhacker sometimes since I have "normal" headphones and I am playing with the normal binary again and I have to turn my head to listen if the player is going where I suspect him.

Yes. Basic principles of binaural hearing.

@3:35 reload? in that situation? srsly? 3 bullets, what should I do? Knife him?

Yes!!!1!1

@3:15 did you try to flank him after seeing him through the wall? thank you, now I understood that POV, you can heare a door opening and a nade dropping ~2sec before

This moment was so obviously legit that I didn’t even mention this in my timer list.

[natirips]

@3:35 reload? in that situation? srsly? 3 bullets, what should I do? Knife him?

You do not carry around a pistol?