[BANNED] Hysteur BY [ubercunt] CAUSE [llma]

[Pirat]

whatever.

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
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I hereby award this thread the prize for the

MOST TERRIFYING
180 DEGREE MISUNDERSTANDING
OF THE YEAR 2012!

My AMBIGUOUS WORDING made you understand the
EXACT OPPOSITE of what I WANTED TO SAY! :-(


What I wrote:

This ban of yours seems to be the only one with an
incomprehensible ban reason -- as opposed to
hundreds of
perfect ban reasons with perfectly matching attached demos.

What you understood:

This ban of yours seems to be the only one with an
incomprehensible ban reason -- as opposed to
OTHER PEOPLE'S hundreds of
perfect ban reasons with perfectly matching attached demos.

What I meant:

This ban of yours seems to be the only one with an
incomprehensible ban reason -- as opposed to
YOUR OTHER hundreds of
perfect ban reasons with perfectly matching attached demos.

I am probably one of the oldest players here and have
seen countless communication problems in both
private life and business life, therefore I'm really
trying to express myself as unambiguously as
possible (except when it's meant to be funny ;-) --
but as one can see here, I still fail from time to time.
:-/

So: Sorry, dmmh, for the the seeming arrogance in
my posting which was supposed to be the exact
opposite of arrogance, namely a bow to your 99 %
flawless bans here.



About my unbanning announcement

I don't like it when someone dictates me what to do and promiss to unban someone when a demo isn't posted in a certain timeframe.
You're nothing more then anybody else here, last time I checked. Nothing less either, (OFCOURSE!) but it's my opinion it's a bit out of proportion to dictate other admins what to do, and what not, wouldn't you think so?
[...]

I'm sorry if my plans to unban this player were too
harsh. :-( My maternal feeli^W^WRobin Hood feelings
got the better of me. I have seen so many of
(IMHO) wrong decisions (from just a bit of slapping
to as much as a permanent ban) based mostly on
emotions (sorry for using the e-word :-}, that I might
have become a bit overprotective.

For this reason (many decisions made in the heat of
the moment), we already do get "dictated"
what to do, namely to

• not ban for more than 3 days in game (imposed
  technically), and
• to give proper reasons (especially for bans) (requested
  many times by Ana/Wursti and other players), and
• to supply demos/explanations for bans (generally
  deemed "gold standard", I think :-).

Here is what I will do in future:

• I will keep questioning questionable ban reasons
  ("In dubio pro reo") and I beg other people
  for doing the same with my bans, because I know
  that I am all but perfect.
  
  
• (Your voice has been heard, dmmh!) I will NOT unban
  a player if the ban is "only" a 3-day ban. This is the
  maximal amount of potential injustice I am willing to
  bear.

By the way: I asked wurst to de-admin me.
[...]

As your request was at least partly based on an
incredible misunderstanding, caused by my faulty
wording, I would like you to reconsider the whole
story and give us one more chance. There might
be a few slight collisions here and there, but each
collision makes the edges rounder and makes us
get along better. :-} <3

And if you think it's currently too bothersome to
administer the game, then you can simply resort to
reducing your admin activities, no need to throw
away God Mode. ;-) Nothing unmanly about revising
(or postponing) a decision, so don't feel pressed to
take this line to the end.

no hard feelings by the way, no emotions either, I'm just tired of people who act like Coldwar era East-Berlin people ;)

Sorry for the Coldwar era East-Berlin (brrrr! :-)
atmosphere I created. My utmost goal is to
spread mieziness all over the world.


np: War - Why Can't We Be Friends :-)




Watch this vid @ Youtube (new Window)

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[dmmh]

I think Pirat had multiple tabs open, and simply replied without seeing this post:

got in argument with me, didnt agree, then tkd me on purpose in spawn

I asked simply because I don't know what "llma" means. *noob on me*

this wasnt directed at you man

Not really at pirat either, but a bit more, because he demanded a demo with 4 hours? (or 4 minutes? I forgot).

I know he didnt read it, I was on the server and I posted this message after your question, after I already posted he demanded me to upload a demo

[dmmh]

whatever.

[color=#eebb00]
So: Sorry, dmmh, for the the seeming arrogance in
my posting which was supposed to be the exact
opposite of arrogance, namely a bow to your 99 %
flawless bans here.

yeah, that's what I understood. It's ok, I misunderstood you.
I don't need a bow from you, I see every admin as an equal man
It's ok.

However, this doesn't deminish in any way how I feel about how things have turned for the worse here.

There's a lot of measures in place to prevent emotional bans, like you also point out, like 3 day bans, demo required etcetera.
But all this admins questioning other admins now makes me record demos for entire lenght of map, just because all the questioning makes everything so paranoid.

I banned someone for aimbot, forgot about that, Im sure I have a demo, wantd to post today, but I played the whole day and finding the demo with the ban is simply impossible. That's a result of all this paranoia, I cant find my friggin demos anymore, because I have to resort to demoing every map I play, for all 12 minutes. I mean: how sad is that, really?
Is that my fault? No.

nowadays, there's b3 messages which spam to complain about admins when they abuse. This implies admins will someday abuse, or often abuse, or always abuse, and give users a feeling of being more then admins/ mods, and make a admins/ mods actions questionable when he still has to perform said action.

The there's the message "admins think before you react".
I slapped someone 10 times bc he was tking on purpose, then he referred to the message, for being slapped.
So it results in annoying little cunts thinking they are more then admins, even when the player is actually doing the breaking of the rules, not the admin.
Admin has to post demos, post a thousand apologies for banning someone, make a topic, etcetera.
Seriously, this is just way out of proportion.

This way, I just don't want to be a admin anymore. I like to play, not to defend every action to everybody. Being an admin ofcourse comes with it upsides, but also with it's downsides, and the downsides seem to be winning currently.

what's wrong with a b3 message: if you do not agree with a admin's decision, please post in llama's corner on dswp.de forums! That sounds so much different then "to complain about lame admin abuse, go here!". Hell, maybe spam it in the ban message itself, so ppl know where to go?



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[Pirat]

I think Pirat had multiple tabs open, and simply replied without seeing this post:

got in argument with me, didnt agree, then tkd me on purpose in spawn :)

I asked simply because I don't know what "llma" means. *noob on me*

this wasnt directed at you man :)

Not really at pirat either, but a bit more, because he demanded a demo with 4 hours? (or 4 minutes? I forgot).

I know he didnt read it, I was on the server and I posted this message after your question, after I already posted he demanded me to upload a demo :)

I originally forced you by my latent world domination
plans to post a demo within 4 hours.

I fully take that request back and instead demand you
posting some anal cunt action with you and Wursti.

[dmmh]

wtf...I edited your message?

I can do that? wtf?

accident, wanted to quote and just post a:



edit: fixed with a lot of backspaces

[Pirat]

So: Sorry, dmmh, for the the seeming arrogance in
my posting which was supposed to be the exact
opposite of arrogance, namely a bow to your 99 %
flawless bans here.

yeah, that's what I understood. It's ok, I misunderstood you.
I don't need a bow from you, I see every admin as an equal.

However, this doesn't deminish in any way how I feel about how things have turned for the worse here.

There's a lot of measures in place to prevent emotional bans, like you also point out, like 3 day bans, demo required etcetera.
But all this admins questioning other admins now makes me record demos for entire lenght of map, just because all the questioning makes everything so paranoid.

Uargl?! This has definitely gone wrong.

I banned someone for aimbot, forgot about that, Im sure I have a demo, wantd to post today, but I played the whole day and finding the demo with the ban is simply impossible. That's a result of all this paranoia, I cant find my friggin demos anymore, because I have to resort to demoing every map I play, for all 12 minutes. I mean: how sad is that, really?
Is that my fault? No.

Definitely not. It seems that paranoia is contageous, sotosay.
Time to relax and tolerate some "slack"/"collateral damage"
maybe.

[B3 messages about "admin abuse"]

Those are probably supposed to be funny, but I always raise
an eyebrow when I see them.

Admin has to post demos, post a thousand apologies for banning someone, make a topic, etcetera.
Seriously, this is just way out of proportion.

ACKnowledged, but ...

This way, I just don't want to be a admin anymore.

... there is an alternative: Do as I try to do and
follow Wursti's advice: Relax.

We're not responsible for the life of people, it's just
a game.

If you still feel like giving up rights, send a goatse of
yours in "The Charme of a UrT Player".


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[Pirat]

wtf...I edited your message? :!: :| :?:

I can do that? wtf?

accident, wanted to quote and just post a:

:lol:

edit: fixed with a lot of backspaces

8-)
That was the first thing I noticed when I became
admin. I thought it's a security bug and obediently
reported it to Wursti, who didn't tell me anything
about my new status, dat biatch. %-)

[JRandomNoob]

I banned someone for aimbot, forgot about that, Im sure I have a demo, wantd to post today, but I played the whole day and finding the demo with the ban is simply impossible.

mig22? Find the smallish demo recorded within few minutes of the post, and that’s the one.

[Pirat]

I banned someone for aimbot, forgot about that, Im sure I have a demo, wantd to post today, but I played the whole day and finding the demo with the ban is simply impossible.

mig22? Find the smallish demo recorded within few minutes of the post, and that’s the one.

Which reminds me: I usually don't say anything if an admin
has set a comprehensible (non (too) emotional) ban
reason, even if there is no demo attached and if the ban
gets never extended to the 30 days (or whatever is
appropriate).

So even less pressure for dmmh and the other cunts. =)

[dmmh]

I banned someone for aimbot, forgot about that, Im sure I have a demo, wantd to post today, but I played the whole day and finding the demo with the ban is simply impossible.

mig22? Find the smallish demo recorded within few minutes of the post, and that’s the one.

yeah, mig22. Ok, Ill have a looksy