Admins

[eXtr33m]

I know this was discussed few times before, but mostly it was angry posts about lot of (un/not)banned cheaters here in Lamas corner. Unfortunately that is a fact as long as i looked it was more than 3 or more pages of mostly notbanned people.
This time we need something constructive to solve and not blahblah post which no one answers

At first: Why is this a problem?
Well not banning a guy means he can play again later. And we all know how annoying it is to go to spec and make demo etc.. so actually not banning people leads to lot more work later anyway.

1) My first and easiest solution which i think of is to probably promote someone of the mods which have time to do the work, and maybe it will even raise the moral in the admin circles.

EDIT1: As raziel reminded wursti is thinking of adding some features for mods, which could fasten the work for admins(altough its questionable, see more down): post27904.html#p27904

2) The second thought: What about giving trust to mods so their demos dont have to be reviewed? I don't really think this would be problem, if mods will not post demos for banning unless 100% sure.

EDIT2: Updating first post is annoying :// read more in the topic soryy!
Yea, if you think of some other solutions feel free to post it!
Sry i dont have passion for such formatting as pirat for which i admire him

[Raziel]

ye i wasn't online that often @ gameservers latly but taking a look on forums almost every day and therefore know what you mean
so i would say that would be worth talking about, just wait for some replies of the admins

anyways i think i read somewhere else in a topic that wursti want to give mods some more access on echelon...

[eXtr33m]

Thx, i updated the first post.

Well good luck wursti
But, i am still concerned the main part -> revieving the demo and banning via echelon (i dont know how difficult is that) will still be on admins to do. So thats why it is questionable.

Which came to second thought:
What about giving trust to mods so their demos dont have to be reviewed? I don't really think this would be problem, if mods will not post demos for banning unless 100% sure.

[wurst]

hm, about the trust thing:
its better to devide the executor and the judge a bit, even if that means work.
what belongs to echelon: working on that...
what belongs to the rest: i promise to be more busy.

[Crusher]

I don't have any statistics but I believe that many of the demos posted on lamas corner are really from cheaters. The aimbots are easy to spot and some wallhacks can lead to some discussion which is natural.

And how many cheaters came to this forum after a ban? Not many I think... many of them just like to f*ck up the gameplay on the serwers. They don't care if they are banned or not.

[Gimmly]

I think the mods and admins in our community are experienced enough and trustable enough to decide who is a cheater and who not. So they can ban them immediately when they are sure and havent any work with making demo and posting. So i think it isnt necessary to make a demo. Everybody i know do a great job on the servers and i dont know any case which someone was banned untrutly.

[AimMe]

@Gimmly: you always need a proof, if cheater comes to forum...

About this whole thing: I noticed, but believe me, watching demos is boring and quite long job. I mean to watch 30 sec of demo where aimbot is obvious, you have to download it, copy it, load urt, load map and quit map. Other part (one in echelon) is quite easy (especially if cheater is already tempbanned or there is link in post). So to me it isn't problem to ban, but to watch demos. You know, when you play urt 1 hour/day, you don't want to waste 15 minutes of that on watching demos...

And about person raising admin moral: that won't happen. We had that, when somebody becomes admin he'll ban like crazy first 2 weeks, but with time he does it less and less. Other admins will only say: "good work"

HINT: Laziness is serious problem. Unlike any other problem, you can't get rid of it because you're too lazy to get rid of laziness. Only life-dependent things can destroy it.
HINT2: Lack of time is serious problem. You can't get rid of it because you don't have enough time.
Hint3: with both that problems active, you won't be able to watch demos.

Well to solve this... There is no long-time solution. If new people get rights, they will just keep things clear for maybe a month and then everything will be back to normal (this). Giving mods !ban is no good as well...

Hmm maybe... if only... I could watch demos from your post (like you post demo, and firefox opens it in new tab (or like youtube videos in post)) i would ban at least 3 cheaters a day (obvious ones). Could anybody write that?

BTW: we had topic like this admin area... Result was: "We'll try to ban more people".

[Raziel]

@Gimmly: you always need a proof, if cheater comes to forum...

About this whole thing: I noticed, but believe me, watching demos is boring and quite long job. I mean to watch 30 sec of demo where aimbot is obvious, you have to download it, copy it, load urt, load map and quit map. Other part (one in echelon) is quite easy (especially if cheater is already tempbanned or there is link in post). So to me it isn't problem to ban, but to watch demos. You know, when you play urt 1 hour/day, you don't want to waste 15 minutes of that on watching demos...

And about person raising admin moral: that won't happen. We had that, when somebody becomes admin he'll ban like crazy first 2 weeks, but with time he does it less and less. Other admins will only say: "good work"

Well to solve this... There is no long-time solution. If new people get rights, they will just keep things clear for maybe a month and then everything will be back to normal (this). Giving mods !ban is no good as well...

BTW: we had topic like this admin area... Result was: "We'll try to ban more people".

some suggestions:

1. increase the maximum duration of !tb command to maybe 5d(or a week?) instead of 1d, so that admins have more time to watch the demos

or

2. increase it to 30d and if the cheater they spotted already used a hack before than post the demo and ask a admin for extend the ban to perm

and 3. maybe mods only need to upload the demo if someone complains about the ban

greetz

[Unclefragger]

ye we talked about extending !tb to more then a day but the conclusion was that it will only lead to even less extended bans since well ... if I don't feel like it today I still have a week left, and then it's on page two and no one seriously looks at that one :P

One could theoretically write a program that creates, encodes and uploads videos from posted demos but that would mean two-three more high end machines in the datacenter or there will be no chance of keeping up with posted demos (unrealistic, no one feels like investing some 3k € and the additional fees each month ;))

I won't promise to ban more since I'm not sure if I can live up to it, right now all my systems at home are fucking with me so all "admin time" is lost there till I am back to my beloved dualhead/intranet/side2side vpn/...

[wurst]

I dont say that its cause mods dont know whats cheat (and whats not)
In real life (if everything goes right) theres minimum two instances that bring you to jail.
Another one (which is making the laws) would be the third.
Normally, no crime is bad enough to be sewed for lifetime (exept that person stays a risk for community*)

Its what we consider as "acting fair" on this planet i would say.
Acting fair infont of the opponent shows strength, its important to have the power in the end.
Many countries have special laws for chaotic circumstances, they all allow easier and faster slap/kick/ban/nuke

However, we have a serious problem with the workflow somehow.
To say that its just temporary would be simply lol.
As always heres several options to act on that before its finally time to declare state of war.
The ones i would see are:

-Increase Tempban time/ rights in general
as we see, theres a gap.
enlarging the timeframe for extending the ban would ease the pain.
but wont cure any.

-Motivate Admins
Yippie yeah Beer and Cookies!

-Get more Admins
Wouldnt change alot, every admin got lazy till today.
Many knew the problem before and were active fo like some weeks...

-Improve easiness of extending Bans
Like making "auto- Topic for a ban"
If no admin veto this, its gona be "auto-prisoning"
(them Americans would be jealous)

-Improving alternative Concept
For the last one, im having some idea thats not very popular.
How about making everyone an Admin?
Unfair to the guilty? OK...
Like: Everyone can tb ingame, but another person has to approve it from outside.

However, it very important for me to be fair.
Theres no anticheat in this game, its in some kind the price for the freedom that we pay.
This is not steam, hvala kurwa oleole!

*A person tsunamiing via zombie legion or else guy hacking server side etc.