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PostPosted: 04.16.12 
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Pirat wrote:
dmmh wrote:
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Pirat wrote:
Hm, until now, I wanted to relieve people (admin or not)
from the tedious task of manually extending a ban (as
long as it's an undebated case) to DSWP's standard ban
duration for cheaters (30 days).

dmmh, BeH, other admins: Is that okay or is that rather
another case of "Well-intentioned is the opposite of well
done"? *gulp*

I'm willing to learn, so just slap me in the right direction
when I step in it again. ;-}

EDIT: Asked Wursti on Mumble, and it seems
to be AOK. But I still want to hear from anybody who
feels uneasy with this.

ofcourse it is, but it does come over a tad pretentious tbh, after all, I can just perm-ban myself when I see fit, or extend when I see fit :)

That's what I was concerned about, so thanks for the
feedback! Okay, then I'll spare you from my know-it-all
ban extensions ;-) from now and everybody else who
doesn't like other ppl to handle the ban extension
(EDIT: mods excluded, as they cannot extend bans).

Or even better, maybe I should only extend (non-dmmh)
bans which are about to expire ... hmm ...

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well, you can do whatever you want ofcourse, Im just saying :)
me, myself, I always come back to check for previous bans on players I ban. Maybe not same day, but have always done so :)
Because I luuuuuuuuuuuuuv permbanning llama cheaters, that's the simple reason :D

in fact, I wish we could permban cheaters on first offence, but sadly, that is no wursti policy :)

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PostPosted: 04.17.12 
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dmmh wrote:
[...]
Pirat wrote:
That's what I was concerned about, so thanks for the
feedback! Okay, then I'll spare you from my know-it-all
ban extensions ;-) from now and everybody else who
doesn't like other ppl to handle the ban extension
(EDIT: mods excluded, as they cannot extend bans).

Or even better, maybe I should only extend (non-dmmh)
bans which are about to expire ... hmm ...

well, you can do whatever you want ofcourse, Im just saying :)
me, myself, I always come back to check for previous bans on players I ban. Maybe not same day, but have always done so :)

Ah, good to hear, makes me sleep better -- and the
cheaters sleep worse! :-D

dmmh wrote:
[...]
in fact, I wish we could permban cheaters on first offence, but sadly, that is no wursti policy :)

I also have different demands to wursti policy, which
makes us near soulmates. |-) Just that I would abolish
permbans and replace them with a progressive banning
system, like:

1. cheat: 1 month
2. cheat: 2 months
3. cheat: 3 months
...

Or maybe double the penalty each time, I don't know ...



 


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PostPosted: 04.17.12 
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I just don't see why a tempban is warranted at all.

When someone is banned, they will simply search for another server in the server list and play there with their lame cheats.
A month later, they still have their cheats, and when they search for game in server browser, choose a server with low ping, and if dswp is in the list, might coose it.
The we ban again, if we are there to spot the cheat at all, which is not always. So maybe player gets away with it for a game or 2.
Once we notice cheat, we ban again for a month, and the cycle repeats itself.

All this still results in a bad game for the players not using cheats.
permbanning gets rid of this problem, and there are plenty of players not using cheats to fill ther server anyway, I don't see the problem.

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