havoc wrote:@zietsh - tbh im kinda lost and confused in your post but lets see...
Yeah sorry, I did have a few beers after exhausting activity... sports and then I tend to talk like that.
if you can please point me out a relevant quote of this? i think, judging by next part of your post, you get things confused. he is in no way totalitarian in means of removing/marginalizing a group of people or part of the society. what he talks about is removing certain social class as a redundant one, and theres a difference. if you bother to read the actual text, you will see that its more about revolution of the consciousness, not to decapitate people on the platz. its other people who did the latter (hint - look up "lumpenproletariat").
He does want to remove a part of society, but you are probably right that he did not want to kill anyone. I was wrong. (And my statement was based on opinion about his personality, which of course is irrational.
people tend to match democracy against socialism and communism, due to the history last 100 years, but this is wrong on many levels, since socialism and communism do include democracy. the comparison should be between democracy and totalitarian/political party/mafiotic/corporate governments we had and still have everywhere.
Because, as you probably agree, the resulting government from a communism-movement never ended in a truly democratic state.
Which makes it easy to say for a lot of people that communism does not work, I will sign that under the premise that humans are to egoistic for such a society and since people should not be change by force (which I agree with) it will not work.
(Oh and 3 years ago in school we actually read most of the communist manifesto)
now some people, especially those like me who lived in "socialist" countries, would say here -- but but but we lived in the socialism/communism and there was no democracy! no, we didnt. we lived in somewhat social government controlled something, but it was neither socialism nor communism. the world hasnt seen those yet.
I'd agree with that!
oh the industrial revolution is still going on, its just not the west thats on top any more. but that was only logical to happen. the "markets" made it happen. in fact, seems they will be the end of it too.
You are correct again, I just wanted to state that the idea of communism in our western world is obsolete from my point of view.
i was obviously making a joke
I understood that, my rhetorical skills are just not high enough (most of the time) to make irony clear when I type.
ok now this is plain stupid of you. HATE IS STUPID.
I'll also sign that, BUT I will admit that living without hate needs a very clear mind and high self-control... basically its very hard, I respect and admire people that can do that but I will rather be honest and say I am not capable of "not hating" so it happens.
even if its towards nazi, hitler, stalin or whatever - it doesnt justify it. it gets you nowhere, and you only reproduce and multiply more of that, which you hate. which is hate itself. its a spiral that only goes down. better dont start it at all.
yes....
i guess you heard that famous Einstein thought -- "Problems cannot be solved by the level of awareness that created them".
so how the hell you expect to solve the problems of hate with more hate? not going to happen. same goes for acting like a nazi on the nazis - you are just the same as them, you just wear a label "anti-nazi".
Well, you could say that but I am someone that reacts, I judge them with their logic. I believe that at least, let me give a example:
A: I Hate X because I do not like the look of X, a bad look is a reason to hate.
Me: (I basically do not hate people because of their looks, but I do not like the look of A, everything is still ok for me)
A: I bashed the head of X because of the look of X
Me: (well that's not a opinion that's fucked up action, I'll hate A
maybe only in my fantasy A hated X) I hate you A because I hate your look. (Now there is innocent B, B is ugly) Hey B I think your still ok, you did not bash anyones head for their looks and you do not beat anyone up because of their looks I will not hate you along as you don't
do stuff like A
did.
btw autobahns would have been built anyway, with nazis or not. german nation is a great nation, and needs no hitlers to do great stuff. of course, as every nation, it has good and bad days.
Yeah, you are right... I just added that because allot of people say "hey look at the autobahn" when you say nazi-germany was bad all the way.
m not entirely sure what that last part means, you seem frustrated about something.
Yes! I am frustrated about a lot of shit, because I thought that after WWII and modernisation of religious thoughts in a lot of nations the world should be a lot better than it is right now. I don't know why I think so much about that stuff, considering that I am personally not in any deficit because of stuff happening elsewhere, I don't mean my life is perfect but it certainly did not become any worse.
btw im not a marxist or communist or whatever, dont get me wrong. my personal views are entirely different.
but i do like, and i think we all very much need this these days, for things to be clear and honest, no matter if its nazi or commie or whatever.
Even if you were it would be ok for me, as long as that opinion is not just "fuck capitalism its all driven by lobbyists... they all are bitches of banks"
natirips wrote:zietsh wrote:except swine for Jews and Christians very clearly states to not eat that stuff... (I just want to keep the language on a high level of intellect.)
Where is that stated? I thought I was raised in a Christian family, but I never heard of it.
I know why Jews (and some other religions) say that eating swine (and some other animals) is bad. That's because if you live in a hot (or something) climate meat can become spoiled easily. And swine in particular is a very omnivorous animal, which means it will eat what-not and may thus be carrying diseases.
It's for the same reason why you shouldn't eat rats. While I personally think that doctrine is bad (
mainly because it's usually used when you made up something that cannot be logically explained and makes no sense to a thinking mind) in these cases (like "do not eat swine") it is at least with good intentions.
The old testament is part of the bible... Even if now in a more "modern" christian society some things are ignored or interpreted different to make it "nicer" it still says that in the bible... Leviticus if I am not mistaken.
