Bomb Server, Bomb Maps and a little more...

[zietsh]

Hi,
What this Post will be about:
Suggestions how to make the "bomb experience" more fun. Get more players
play bomb, make the near perfect bomb server. This is MY view, certainly
not everybody will like it because it is MY view/opinion and opinions
are like assholes, everybody's got one. Tell me why you do not like it!
Why:
I think there are not enough people playing bomb, and it could be made
more fun with the right maps and cycles. Also maybe (I don't want to talk
into "rights system" but change them a little bit, but I will come to that right away)

#0 Gameplay

Still to come! (Stuff like certain B3 Plugins if found or stuff found that
makes it more fun(crates), mby make teams in mumble when more ppl are online...
litte tweeks to time settings relative to maps etc.)

#1 Server administration and moderation INGAME

Well, I don't like how servers are moderated a lot of times, its fine on days
like the dswp sunday but only cause there are like 10 admins/mods sitting in there.
I'd like the rights on a bomb server given a little differently (I will add an
example poweradmin config for b3 and stuff like that as attachment):
User:
<!-- Users -->
<set name="regtest">1</set>
<set name="time">1</set>
<set name="help-h">0</set>
<set name="register">0-0</set>
<set name="rules-r">0</set>

<set name="seen">2</set>
<set name="maps">2</set>
<set name="nextmap">2</set>

Mod(20)
<!-- Mod -->
<set name="find">20</set>
<set name="aliases-alias">20</set>
<set name="spams">20</set>
<set name="spam-s">20</set>
<set name="list">20</set>
<set name="admins">20</set>
<set name="say">20</set>
<set name="status">20</set>
<set name="leveltest-lt">20</set>
<set name="poke">20</set>
<set name="scream">20</set>
<set name="warns">20</set>
<set name="warninfo-wi">20</set>
<set name="warntest-wt">20</set>

Admin(40)
<!-- Admin -->
<set name="tempban-tb">40</set>
<set name="baninfo-bi">40</set>
<set name="kick-k">40</set>
<set name="admintest">40</set>
<set name="notice">40</set>

<set name="warnremove-wr">40</set>
<set name="warn-w">40</set>
Full-Admin:
<!-- Full Admin -->
<set name="warnclear-wc">60</set>
<set name="ban-b">60</set>
<set name="unban">60</set>
<set name="spank-sp">60</set>
<set name="permban-pb">60</set>
<set name="clear-kiss">60</set>
<set name="lookup-l">60</set>
Senior-Admin
<!-- Senior Admin -->
<set name="map">80</set>
<set name="maprotate">80</set>
<set name="makereg-mr">80</set>
<set name="spankall-sall">80</set>
<set name="banall-ball">80</set>
<set name="kickall-kall">80</set>
<set name="pbss">80</set>
<set name="putgroup">80</set>
Super-Admin:
<!-- Super Admin -->
<set name="enable">100</set>
<set name="disable">100</set>
<set name="die">100</set>
<set name="reconfig">100</set>
<set name="restart">100</set>
<set name="mask">100</set>
<set name="unmask">100</set>
<set name="runas-su">100</set>
<set name="pause">100</set>
<set name="rebuild">100</set>
<set name="clientinfo">100</set>
<set name="ungroup">100</set>


#2 Cycles and maps that should be on the server:


I think cycles should be changed on a regular basis (ever 1-2 weeks).
If there is a big and small cycle mby only every 2 weeks, if there is
onyl 1 cycle probably every week. Total changes don't have to be done.
I'd like the cycles to each have 12 maps of wich 6 are voted out of
pregiven choices. 3-4 will be maps that will be set by admins and
the other 2-3 slots will also be set by admins and if they want new
maps. (A little like the tdm map vote PS: I am all for 2 cycles).
Comment: if c_2* then c_3* and if c_2** then c_3** etc.

c_1*
ut4_kingdom
ut4_aztek_b2
ut4_cs_assault_b2
ut4_kingpin
ut4_barn
ut4_ambush
ut4_guerrilla
ut4_village
ut4_orbital
ut4_abby
ut4_tohunga_b9
ut4_algiers

c_1**
ut4_thingley
ut_jihad
ut4_casa
ut4_poland_b11
ut4_casa
ut4_dust2_v2 /vb3
ut4_suburbs
ut4_metro_b2
ut4_sliema
ut4_venice_b7
ut4_madolin
ut4_ramelle

c_1***
ut4_tombs
ut4_train_dl1
ut4_riyadh
ut4_tunis
ut4_jerusalem_b1
ut4_crossing
ut4_nepal
ut4_dust_a4
ut4_prague
ut_aardtimes_beta2
ut4_toxic
ut4_swim
____________________________________________________________
c_2*
ut4_madolin
ut_jihad
ut4_kingdom
ut4_aztek_b2
ut4_orbital
ut4_ricochet
ut4_trug
ut4_ambush
ut4_rip_b6
ut_aardtimes_beta2
ut4_thingley
ut4_tunis

c_2**
ut4_dust_a4
ut4_kingpin
ut4_swim
ut4_cs_assault_b2
ut4_prague
ut4_domus_b1
ut4_ramelle
ut4_barn
ut4_casa
ut4_tohunga_b9
ut4_nepal
ut4_crossing

c_3*
ut4_tombs
ut4_cs_assault_b2
ut4_swim
ut4_shahideen
ut4_metropolis_b2
ut4_abby
ut4_casa
ut4_train_dl1
ut4_venice_b7
ut4_jerusalem_b1
ut4_toxic
ut4_austria

c_3**
ut4_kingdom
ut4_dust_a4
ut4_beijing_b3
ut4_orbital
ut4_dust2_v2 /vb3
ut4_temple2_beta
ut4_ricochet
ut4_metro_b2
ut4_poland_b11
ut_aardtimes_beta2
ut4_sliema
ut4_oildepot



#2 How I chose these cycles:

What I wanted to do is: Make a archive specialised on bomb-maps, this is what I started 2 days ago.
I will add a attachment or link to pastebin that contains my whole review file but this is made
for the bomb server and only maps that make sens for a bomb server will be in the list, this means
that also maps for the occasional TS will be in this list (but also listed as those). Because
it happens that sometimes the bomb server is filled with only a few ppl so why not let them play
TS on maps that dont have bombspots? But these will not be recommended as Maps for a cycle.
I will also devide into 3 Cycles: c_1 == allround-cycle maps that allways work if it is chosen not
to have small and big cycle 2-3 versions of this will be made, c_2 == small-cycle (in meaning that
the maps are small and for fewer players than 10), c_3 == big-cycle (in meaning that the maps are big
and for a larger number of ppl so up to 16). I will still or have allready made some other comments.
I will also consider 2 versions of each kind of cycle marking them with a * or ** mby even *** for a
third cycle, this will be seen in the cyclelist at the end.
(This list advances relativly slowly because im looking through a whole lot of maps as you can see in
the attachment)

001//ut4_aztek_b2
=> c_2 && c_1
=> Good map, ported from counter strike but too small for 16 player
002//ghzone-xxy
=>
=> More a fun-bomb map that "real" bomb map, but it should be on the server, mby out there to be voted into a cycle.
003//ut4_shahideen
=> c_3
=> Good map, it is a quite big map.
004//ut4_cs_assault_b2
=> c_1 && c_2 && c_3
=> Very good map, for more or fewer player-numbers this is a fun map that is more complex as thought to be.
005//ut4_pff
=>
=> Fun map, but really its more BS than a "real" bomb map.
006//ut4_iran3
=>
=> Though it features no bombspot it still made it in the list because it is a excellent map for TS when the server is not filled.
007//ut4_kingdom
=> c_1 && c_2 && c_3
=> This is a map I really love! it is great at any occasion.
008//ut4_kingpin
=> c_1 && c_2
=> This is a great allround map, but when it is played with more than 10 player I feel that it is too crowded.
009//ut_jihad
=> c_2
=> Nice small bomb map
010//ut4_aztek_ruins
=>
=> It features no bombspot but for a duel when there are only for example 4 player on the server this is a good map to have.
011//ut4_barn
=> c_2
=> Nice small bomb map (fast!)
012//chronic
=>
=> No bombspot, but dr.dre and eminem what more?! Nice to have on a server for occasional TS
013//ut4_beijing_b3
=> c_3
=> A good map for bomb.
014//ut4_guerrilla
=> c_1
=> Nice small map.
015//ut4_metropolis_b2
=> c_3
=> Extremly fun, allot of ppl find this to be too big.
016// ut4_orbital
=> c_1 && c_2 && c_3
=> Great allround map.
017//ut4_ricochet
=> c_1 && c_2 && c_3
=> Underrated, should be in a cycle. Not shure in wich, I will put it in all for the moment.
018//ut4_poland_b11
=> c_3
=> Nice map good change for austria.
019//ut4_abby
=> c_1 && c_3
=> good allround map, but not for a specific small cycle.
020//ut4_casa
=> c_1 && c_2 && c_3
=> Great map for any occasion.
021//ut4_swim
=> c_1 && c_2 && c_3
=> Oh boy, I love this one!
022//ut4_temple2_beta
=> c_3
=> Its great, its big, i love it!
023//ut4_tohunga_b9
=> c_2
=> Great small map but 10 players really is enugh.
024//ut4_train_dl1
=> c_3
=> Great map, but certainly for the big cycle.
025//ut4_trug
=> c_2
=> Good SMALL map, low playeramount: fast & fun gameplay
026//ut4_village
=> c_3
=> Good but BIG map.
027//ut4_venice_b7
=> c_1 && c_3
=> Good map.
028//ut4_commune
=> c_1 && c_2 && c_3
=> Should be in a cycle. (4.1.1?)
029//ut4_nepal
=> c_2
=> Small but allot of fun.
030//ut4_ambush
=> c_2
=> Quite fun nothing special. (Bombspots a little close, small player amount?)
031//ut4_algiers
=> c_1
=> Its ok for bomb.
032//ut4_austria
=> c_3
=> Good map, belongs into a big cycle.
033//ut4_crossing
=> c_1
=> Good allround map.
034//ut4_eagle
=> c_3
=> Fun but very big.
035//ut4_harbortown
=> c_3
=> Underrated, certainly but it does not have to be there.
036//ut4_madolin
=> c_1 && c_2
=> A must have, not shure if it should go into a big or small cycle. I'd say small.
037//ut4_maya
=> c_3
=> Those who like it like it, if it goes into a cycle then into a big one.
038//ut4_prague
=> c_2
=> Certainly for a small cycle.
039//ut4_ramelle
=> c_1 && c_2
=> Should be in a cycle.
040//ut4_sanc
=> c_1 && c_2
=> Good map, nothing special.
041//ut4_thingley
=> c_2
=> A good bomb map.
042//ut4_subway
=> c_3
=> A good map, if it goes into a cylce then only big.
043//ut4_uptown
=> c_1 && c_2
=> Good map but too small/fast for 16 players.
044//ut4_turnpike
=> c_1 && c_2 && c_3
=> This is interesting because it seems to work even for 16 players.
045//ut4_tunis
=> c_2
=> Fun but nothing special.
046//ut4_toxic
=> c_1 && c_3
=> Good map certainly for a cycle.
047//ut4_suburbs
=> c_3
=> I dont like it that much, but why not?
048//ut4_riyadh
=> c_3
=> I dont like it for bomb but it could be voted into a cycle.
049//ut4_oildepot
=> c_3
=> I like it but it if you play it to often it gets boring.
050//ut4_tombs
=> c_1 && c_3
=> This is extremly underrated, but probably to big for a small cycle.
051//ut4_dust_a4
=> c_1 && c_2 && c_3
=> I really love this map, up there with kingdom!
052//ut4_dust2_v2 / v3b
=> c_3
=> A good map but too big for fewer players.
053//ut4_breathe_b2
=>
=> Features no bombspot but should be there for occasional ts.
054//ut4_domus_b1
=> c_2
=> Nice map, very simple.
055//ut4_sliema
=> c_3 && c_1
=> Good map should be in a cycle, quite underrated
056//ut_crate
=>
=> Crate map, sadly no bombspot (quite small) but should be on the server.
057//ut4_metro_b2
=> c_3
=> VERY good map but certainly only for a big cycle.
058//ut_deep
=>
=> No bombspot but should be on the server for diving.
059//ut_aardtimes_beta2
=> c_1 && c_3
=> I dont know why I like this one.
060//ut4_jerusalem_b1
=> c_3
=> Great map but BIG.
061//ut4_rip_b6
=> c_2
=> Should be on a small cycle.
062//ut4_persia / 2
=> c_2
=> Should be on a small cycle.

[Pirat]

Hi,
What this Post will be about:
Suggestions how to make the "bomb experience" more fun. Get more players
play bomb, make the near perfect bomb server.
[...]

Thanks for the nice list and the work you put into it! <3

Thumbs up! :-)

I already tried a few maps with havoc today on
our bomb server, and I think they would really
add to the cycle.

We also found out that for some maps, I (and other
players) cannot see the bomb spots on the map, only
on the minimap -- while for havoc, they're always
visible. Examples are ut4_rip_b6 (black bomb spot on
bridge) and ut4_metro_b2 (red bomb spot completely
missing, black bombspot can only be seen partly).


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[Pirat]

Hi,
What this Post will be about:
Suggestions how to make the "bomb experience" more fun. Get more players
play bomb, make the near perfect bomb server.
[...]

[...]
We also found out that for some maps, I (and other
players) cannot see the bomb spots on the map, only
on the minimap -- while for havoc, they're always
visible. Examples are ut4_rip_b6 (black bomb spot on
bridge) and ut4_metro_b2 (red bomb spot completely
missing, black bombspot can only be seen partly).

This seems to happen only with the optimized binary.
With the original binaries, everything seems fine.

.

[zietsh]

But the mini-map still shows all bomb spots, so it is not impossible to play, i guess..

[Pirat]

But the mini-map still shows all bomb spots, so it is not impossible to play, i guess..

True, it's just a bit more of a challenge and makes it
more interesting, which isn't that bad, I think.